Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Monday May 19

For those who were listening in to the Senate audio last week, it will come as no surprise that we took the strategic decision to hold off on pressing the Gourmet Beer Bill. By the time the semi-filibuster was resolved, it was late in the evening and the Senators were all cranky, tired, and hungry.

In that kind of environment our Gourmet Beer Bill would not have had good odds.

Mark your calendars for Monday, May 19th. This is the last day of the legislative session. HB196, the Gourmet Beer Bill, will be on the calendar. Please call your senators over the next week, and very politely request them to support HB196, the Gourmet Beer Bill. You can call them whether or not you have done so already. You could also ask your friends, co-workers, family, neighbours, anyone you know who is not anti-alcohol - they, too can call their senators.

If you have family and friends who are out of state, get them to call as well - their opinion, and the tourist dollars that backs their opinion, are just as important to the senators as you and your opinion are.

If we all pull together, if we all rally our connections and contacts, we can achieve the aim we have been working towards for the last three years - we can start to Free those Hops from the chains of the archaic 6% ABV law. Let the Alabama Senate hear your voices loud and clear - let them hear the message -

FREE THE HOPS!

posted by Stuart Carter at 8:24 AM     permanent link     


90 Comments:
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Archaic" is just the word for our beer laws, and I sincerely hope that this Monday frees the hops!
May 18, 2008 6:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just checked the special order calander for the senat & do not see HB196???
May 19, 2008 11:09 AM  

Blogger Unknown said...
Yeah, I just looked and I don't see it either. I read that there won't be any House bills on the special order calendar.
May 19, 2008 12:55 PM  

Blogger powerwt said...
They are doing HB 319 right now.
May 19, 2008 1:00 PM  

Blogger powerwt said...
I have a bad feeling that this budget, especially the education budget will foul up most of the day.
May 19, 2008 1:11 PM  

Blogger powerwt said...
Just did some research, the HB196 is not on the special order calendar. For HB 196 to come up, they would have to work through the special order calendar and then they could bring up bills not on the calendar. I.E. another year without good beer! Boo State Senate!
May 19, 2008 1:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where are you finding the special order calendar? I can't seem to locate it on the State Legislature website.

Thanks
May 19, 2008 1:52 PM  

Blogger Brian said...
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/SESSEODReportsCalendarSelection.asp

It's on the calendar.
May 19, 2008 2:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
go to:

http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/ACASLoginFire.asp

then click on "special order calendar" on the left

In the resulting window, click on any bill number and then click the get special order button.

This lists what's on the calendar and you'll notice that the beer bill is missing.....pitty.
May 19, 2008 2:03 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It seems that whoever made the decision not to bring up the bill 10 days ago has screwed our chances.
May 19, 2008 2:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thanks, Brian, and "anonymous" for the info. I found it with no problems. Are they working the bills in the order listed in the calendar (Are they still on the FIRST bill)?

This could take forever. And now I'm hearing talk that our Governor has decided that he is not in favor of any pro-alcohol bills.

This really sucks.
May 19, 2008 2:30 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is what we get for not paying more attention to who is elected to our state legislature.
May 19, 2008 2:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
i'm listening to the senate audio and it really makes me angry to hear these people talking about their first grade teachers and bullies...what does this have to do with the bill? make your point, quit blabbing, and vote...GEEZ!! i can't listen to this crap.
May 19, 2008 2:52 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's called a filibuster. It's sad. It's shameful. It's a waste of taxpayer money. But in the world of Alabama state politics, where me-vs.-you is more important than what's best for this state's residents, it's one of the most powerful weapons a legislator has for keeping you from getting what you want.

Damn, I need a good beer right now.
May 19, 2008 2:59 PM  

Blogger will said...
I actually have good beer in the fridge. Drove to Douglasville, GA last week and picked up a bunch to get me by...

...would have preferred driving to Publix instead.
May 19, 2008 3:15 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
well...it's kind of relevant to the topic at hand. i guess they do this to make themselves seem like they're addressing the issue when in fact they are just filibustering. i wish there was something i could do because it makes me very angry. nobody is listening to them. i just kind of zone out. i feel sorry for the senators that really want to get some legislation passed but have to sit and listen to that. no wait...i feel sorry for myself. i want to drink good beer and have to sit and listen to that!!! :) a chocolate stout would be awesome right now
May 19, 2008 3:21 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Amen to that. Let's see, where can I get a good beer? Drive to Georgia and bring it back - illegal. Brew my own - also illegal (Although it seems to be ok to open a store to sell homebrew equipment and supplies - kind of like the old days (remember paraphernalia shops - "items sold for novelty use only :)")

Seems Alabama, like all states, has its share of stupid laws. For instance, it's illegal to wear a fake moustache that causes laughter in church (that one must not apply to toupees). It's illegal to flick a booger into the wind (seems sensible - only had to try that once to grasp the logic behind it). It's illegal to have a ice cream cone in your back pocket at any time. (That's why I keep mine in my shirt pocket).

I mean, honestly, can anyone make a good argument against the Gourment Beer Bill. Those against it always seem to pull out the drunken teenager card, but they can get drunker for less money by finding someone to buy a fifth of vodka (or whatever) for them at, surprisingly enough, a state-owned ABC store.

Anyway, just ranting and rambling. Kind of like our legislators are doing right now.
May 19, 2008 3:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
might sound like a long shot but if they don't get all of these bills passed on taxes, don't they have to come back for special sessions in a few weeks? If that is the case, isn't there a chance that our bill can still be brought up?

By looking at their list of things to vote on, most seem like bills that need to be voted on. And if they can't get them all in, due to a filibuster, it would seem that a special session would be called.

I know it is a long shot, but I was kind of hoping that before next year I would have access to good beer and I don't really want to give up that hope just yet.
May 19, 2008 3:40 PM  

Blogger will said...
"Drive to Georgia and bring it back - illegal."

(guess I should have been anonymous on that one)
May 19, 2008 3:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
So does this mean the bill is absolutely, positively dead for this year (other than potentially a special session)?
May 19, 2008 3:48 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don't worry about it owsley9. You gotta do what you gotta do. I just brought an entire suitcase full of dirty underwear and Belgian Abbey beers back from Paris through ATL and back to good ol' Anniston. (Where it is still illegal to wear blue jeans on Noble Street, by the way). I'd offer you a beer, but you'd probably want to wash the bottle first :).
May 19, 2008 3:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Owsley, your transporting-across-state-lines secret is safe with me, though my silence comes at a price. What beer did you say you brought back from Georgia, again? ;)
May 19, 2008 3:57 PM  

Blogger will said...
I was looking for my favorite, Easy Street Wheat, but I settled for some Agave Wheat, Chimay, Sweetwater IPA, and one other that the name has escaped...another wheat beer recommended by the seller.

I like my darks, but I was in the mood for wheat. Can you tell?
May 19, 2008 4:12 PM  

Blogger Stuart Carter said...
They day is not over yet, and the special order calendar that has been published is only one of the calendars that will be dealt with today. HB196 is not eligible to be dealt with yet.

Patience is required... easier said than done!
May 19, 2008 4:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
For the love of Pete, can anyone tell me what J. T. "Jabo" Waggoner has been talking about for the last half+ hour? I'm trying to connect the dots between his high school in Ensley closing 30+ years after he graduated, George Barber having a race that track that he believes is longer than two miles, Porsche, him going to auburn then transferring to Bham Southern, meeting his grandson at church yesterday, his grandson scoring a 33 on the ACT, and on and on and on. I'm trying to connect the dots and stay awake at the same time. I can't come up with anything. No wonder there was a fist fight in the senate a while back. What a joke!
May 19, 2008 4:18 PM  

Blogger Andrew M said...
Having gouged my ears out with a pair of freshly-sharpened #2 pencils, I'm following this comments thread for updates. Thanks for keeping them coming!
May 19, 2008 4:26 PM  

Blogger Brian said...
I tell you why people won't bring business to Alabama... just listen to the Senate. We can't get anything done.
May 19, 2008 4:33 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can someone shut this old fart up? It is painful on so many levels. And btw. it's Thyssen-Krupp, not Thyssen-Krump. *@#$!
May 19, 2008 4:35 PM  

Blogger Brian said...
"Be here 'til midnight"...talking about NOTHING. HA!
May 19, 2008 4:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I can almost hear good beer pouring down the drain. Or maybe that's just the blood pouring from my ears after listening to this drivel.
May 19, 2008 4:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Now they're talking about the Dow Jones Industrial Average! Lake Martin is full too, apparently. So random! Listening this would be much easier if I were drinking single malt scotch.
May 19, 2008 4:54 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well, I guess the FTH lobbyist will just have to cash those checks for another bill :(
May 19, 2008 5:00 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
In my never-ending quest for new beers (which, unfortunately, cannot be accomplished without leaving the great state of Alabama, I just brought back a couple of interesting ones from Europe. One is a Russian beer called "балтика девятка крепкое". Try ordering that in your local pub. Concerned that it might translate into something along the lines of "brewed with pure Chernobyl pond water", I actually found two translaters (bless you, Google) which allowed me to change the Cyrillic characters to Latin characters, and then to English. The name is "Baltic Region 9 Strong". Sounds promising.

Also got one called "La Biere Du Demon" labeled as "The Most Alcoholic Pale Beer in the World". Then I saw the 12% ABV note. Pfft.

Strangely enough, when I asked a couple of Parisienne bartenders to recommend a good beer, the list included Heineken and Corona. Go figure.
May 19, 2008 5:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Guys,

I think you all missed a lesson in politics. This is an election year. They are dealing with the state budget and the education trust fund. These guys are not going to do anything that may harm their reelection bids. If they take action on these bills they are liable to piss somebody off. I know this is inefficient and stupid, but its just the way it works. No. 2, this is a reelection year, probably not the best time to bring up a beer bill in Alabama, due to the fact that Jesus votes. Jesus may turn water to wine, but he sure a S### doesn't like Chimay. More people that think this way vote in Alabama, than people who love Chimay. By the way, Red Label is my favorite!
May 19, 2008 5:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Question 2

Where can I apply for the job of Free the Hops Lobbyist? I don't think that your guy/girl maybe that swift.
May 19, 2008 5:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
"But our lobbyist decided that under those circumstances it was likely they wouldn't get through the entire calendar of statewide bills proposed by the Rules Committee, and he feared if we opted for a spot on that calendar we might not come up before the body adjourned. He therefore opted instead to wait for the final legislative day. It was critical strategic decision in a stressful environment, and it's why we are paying him good money."

Hopefully it wasn't too good of money..
May 19, 2008 5:34 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
What do yall make of this recess until 8?? Is there any hope?
May 19, 2008 5:40 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well lets face the fact that no matter how good of a lobbyist we may have working for us, they will be fighting an uphill battle to be 1/1000th as loud in the ears of politicians as:

1) Anheuser-Busch's lobbyist
2) The Church of Christ's members that vote (or threaten to at least)
May 19, 2008 5:41 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I just checked the special order calendar. It looks like they have added a lot of bills to the calendar, but not HB196.
May 19, 2008 5:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I thought I was listening to the Senate audio feed, but it turned out to be a rerun of a "Hee-Haw" episode. Kind of hard to tell the difference.
May 19, 2008 6:01 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is what we get for living in Alabama.
May 19, 2008 6:22 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Alabama, Mississippi, and West Virginia have the lowest abv laws in the country. They are also 3 of the poorest states in the US. Coincidence???
May 19, 2008 6:26 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
anybody listening?
May 19, 2008 8:35 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
should have taken the deal that was offered mid-session. bad mistakes gettin made, moving to the last day of the session was just the most recent...not the worst! oh well - another year another 4.00 a gallon drive to georgia for beer
May 19, 2008 8:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
If I send back my FTH t-shirt, can I get my donation back? Just kidding of course, but I agree with the above that some bad decisions have been made during this campaign.
May 19, 2008 8:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Florida is closer for me. UGH! This sucks, I can't beleive anything ever gets done around here...
May 19, 2008 8:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I thought that the board would be hopping tonight, but it's dead silent. Does anyone have any inside info? Is it true that HB196 isn't even on the agenda?
May 19, 2008 9:05 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
does the bill have to go through both houses again next year???
May 19, 2008 9:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's amazing to me that I am actually spending my time listening to this...
May 19, 2008 9:25 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
i wish someone would give an update for those of us that cannot listen
May 19, 2008 9:28 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's a sample:

"Please don't spank him..... Education is not a right; it's a privilege.... Some people just don't want an education. Why should we waste our money trying to educate them?"

These people are idiots.
May 19, 2008 9:36 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
omg - it would be funny if they didnt take our money in order to put this show on
May 19, 2008 9:37 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you're missing this, you're not missing a damn thing.

Could someone please remind me why we thought we'd be on the agenda today? Did we really think we had a chance after what happened last time?
May 19, 2008 9:45 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
You can be the nicest person in the state, that still doesn't mean you are a good senator eiter...
May 19, 2008 9:51 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I started listening to the audio feed from the Senate earlier today, hoping to hear HB196 being presented to and voted on by our illustrious Senators. I realized pretty early on that this was not going to happen. I've continued to listen because I am amazed at the pompous, arrogant asses that we, somehow, have elected to represent our views in Montgomery.

I haven't heard a single person who deserves to be called a statesman speak today. I've heard a lot of good-ole-boy backslapping, and a lot of people telling me how great they are. I've learned a lot about their grade school teachers, thier families, their lives.

None of them seem to care that they are our employees, and need to be mindful of our wishes. After all, they have been chosen by us to represent our views in the statewide legislative environment.

No one seems to have the ability, the gift, or even the desire to influence anyone else to come around to their way of thinking. No one even seems to be trying.

They seem to be of the opinion that if they pass the Education Trust Fund bill and finalize the budget, they can pat themselves on the back, say "good job" and head on home. But they don't even seem to be getting that done. Meanwhile, hundreds of bills sit on the calendar, completely ignored.

I'm certainly not a political expert, but I do recognize incompetence and inefficiency when I see it.

I will be much more careful who I vote for next time around.
May 19, 2008 9:59 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm giving up hope for beer in this state..

back to the scotch for for this one.
May 19, 2008 10:02 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am already writing my letters to my rep and senator, especially senator, to inform them that they will not be getting my vote next go around. This entire session has been an embarassment for this State.
May 19, 2008 10:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Did anyone see this article in the Montgomery Advertiser on Saturday?

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805170325

Gov. Riley is quoted, saying about our bill:

"I'm probably going to have a problem with that," he told The Associated Press.

Do we have veto proof support in the Senate & House?
May 19, 2008 10:06 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
OK, if they don't know the rules, then who would?
May 19, 2008 10:07 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
what the hell is a cloture petition????
May 19, 2008 10:09 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is exactly the reason after I finish school, I will NEVER return to this backwards state! Enjoy the brain drain politicians.
May 19, 2008 10:10 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
AMEN TO THAT
May 19, 2008 10:10 PM  

Blogger Unknown said...
I cant get the audio working for some reason, but last I heard, they were petitioning to close the debate on HB319. The bill they've been talking about for the last 12 hours. Also, I believe when they actually get to the calender, that is when our guy asks to be added. But again, everyone will be pouty and in a bad mood and want to go home.
May 19, 2008 10:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yeah, bradpr, I read that article. Seems to be exactly opposite what he said a year or so ago. Course, he is a non-drinker.
May 19, 2008 10:11 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
What is going on...did it get put off again?
May 19, 2008 10:15 PM  

Blogger Unknown said...
CLOTURE PETITION.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cloture Petition from the Rules Committee to end debate on HB 319 at 10:35 p.m.

Vote on cloture petition at 10:33 p.m.
May 19, 2008 10:17 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This annoys me. You can bet I'm not going to be voting for any incumbent senator in the upcoming election. Someone said the senators were afraid to do anything to rock the boat during an election year...but their inaction, inefficiency, and downright foolhardiness combined to cost them a number of voters.
May 19, 2008 10:21 PM  

Blogger Unknown said...
I dont care if the opponent runs on the platform of babies on spikes, these guys do not get my vote.
May 19, 2008 10:23 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
it is too late in the session to override a veto - if the gov does not sign...i will leave it to you to read that story and decide what you think he will do...then the bill is dead - this is why several of us were saying that it was not a good move at all to wait until the last day of session. not hindsight, just a basic knowledge of the way things work in mont.
May 19, 2008 10:24 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Another stalling tactic. Now they want the entire budget bill to be read at length prior to a vote.
May 19, 2008 10:29 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
So, if they can't get the bill read and the vote done by midnight, the bill dies. And the whole session becomes a complete waste of our money. Am I interpreting this correctly?
May 19, 2008 10:43 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anyone have a secret on getting the audio to work in Firefox?
May 19, 2008 10:44 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Try hitting CTRL and refresh button on your browser at the same time.
May 19, 2008 10:47 PM  

Blogger Stuart Carter said...
you all need to get angry at your senators and representatives - they are the ones who wasted the whole session.
May 19, 2008 10:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
At least the House passed a bill...the same cannoy be said of the Senate. "Deliberative body" my @$$...all they did was waste the session, pass a few bills at the last minute, and then burn the entire last day with a filibuster.

I'll be very glad to leave this state when I finish school; someone above already said as much, and I wholeheartedly agree.
May 19, 2008 10:53 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who decided to move the bill until the last day?
May 19, 2008 11:14 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
been busy last 30 minutes...


Anything happen?
May 19, 2008 11:50 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not a damn thing!
May 20, 2008 12:01 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
So much for that. Think I'll settle down and have an ice cold Bud Light.
May 20, 2008 12:05 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
So we all need to make sure that, next year, we vote for anyone who either is

a) for this bill

b) not anti teenager buying $4+ a bottle of import/craft beer to get drunk

or c) who has served time for bludgeoning the hell out of our soon-to-be-former lobbyist who made the "critical decision" to move the bill to the last day of session, since that is OBVIOUSLY the way things get done in the senate.
May 20, 2008 1:38 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Welcome to the political process in Alabama. The only way this bill is ever going to be successful is to hire a well known lobbyist (that costs lots of money) who has been around for years and is an "insider". You then must actually give the Representatives a reason to actually want to pass your bill. Wanting to drink good beer you can't get is not an appealing reason for a representative who constituents are 80% Baptist or Church of Christ. The goods must out wiegh the bads. With that being said, I think it is time that free the hops took an approach that suggested all the positives in terms of tax revenue, tourism, etc. to entice representitives to actually go on a limb to pass this bill through. From someone who has been there, very few people representing you in Montgomery care about craft beer. I would dare say noone who is representing you cares about craft beer.

My advice, push hard next year after the election is done with. After the election, if the bill is passed, the voters it the bill pisses off will have 2-4 years to forget about the fact it exists. This will make your representitive happy, we will be happy, and the baptist will be on to another topic.
May 20, 2008 8:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Maybe we can take the money from the Magic City Brewfest, and actually do something with it...like find a new lobbitist or a different group to push the bill.
May 20, 2008 8:16 AM  

Blogger Patrick said...
Why are we blaming the lobbyist? Were there ANY opportunities to get the bill passed? Did any far more popular bills, like the grocery tax, get passed? No lobbyist can overcome a dysfunctional legislature. You guys are kicking the man while he's down.

I can't believe it, but this might actually make me appreciate the US Congress.
May 20, 2008 8:34 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
thank you fth for caring enough about this to actually do something AND to actually hire a lobbyist......... yes, i wanted this bill to pass, but suffice it to say that if this was all left up to me and many of the others here just along for the ride, we would all just be sitting around wishing someone would do something about this ridiculous law.
May 20, 2008 9:22 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thanks to everyone at FreetheHops for trying. Please don't give up. Keep fighting for us to get good beer in Alabama. Keep guiding us on what we can to do help you.
May 20, 2008 9:37 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thank you for giving it another try. 0/3 just means that going 1/4 or more will make it that much sweeter. I hope we get something done next session.
May 20, 2008 9:53 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Unfortunately, there are way too many conservative & Christians who believe that all alcohol in this state is wrong.

What we need is more lushes in our state politics. Politicians that enjoy doing "bad" things.

If we only had some drunk Kennedys in our state, we might get somewhere
May 20, 2008 10:11 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think you'll find that most of the politicians who are "lushes" are the ones who voice the most opposition to the these societal "vices" they decry. See Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, etc.
May 20, 2008 11:44 AM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It shouldn't be this hard to get something as basic and easy as this done. I mean, sales of 95% (190 proof) PGA and Everclear can be sold (a full bottle of which would kill even the most raging alcoholic)... and yet, you can't buy beer that is 7% (14 proof). That is just simply retarded. It's stupidly retardedly spastic. It's nonsensical.
May 21, 2008 3:50 PM  

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